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Old 23-05-16, 13:34
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and to add to this if so would you need to apply for a new log book and if this is the case most would fail?
Hope not Dopedog the ralt is 35.4 and the vision is 33.4 and the tubes forming the triangle to the back of the hoops is less.

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Old 23-05-16, 13:56
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Not sure which car started this discussion, but rule 1.5.1 and 1.5.2 should have you covered if not using the 1.6.3.
On the log book in my old car, it had (if I remember correctly) an approved design number and an MSA number listed on it, and as 1.5.1 and 1.5.2 are 'exceptions to the forgoing requirements', you should be covered.
Thats how the likes of Pilbeam, OMS, Force etc are able to do it.
If you have a car which doesnt have this, then yes, you need to abide by 1.6.3.
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Old 23-05-16, 14:15
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Not sure which car started this discussion, but rule 1.5.1 and 1.5.2 should have you covered if not using the 1.6.3.
On the log book in my old car, it had (if I remember correctly) an approved design number and an MSA number listed on it, and as 1.5.1 and 1.5.2 are 'exceptions to the forgoing requirements', you should be covered.
Thats how the likes of Pilbeam, OMS, Force etc are able to do it.
If you have a car which doesnt have this, then yes, you need to abide by 1.6.3.
So in theory anything made before 1/1/97 should be ok .
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Old 23-05-16, 14:23
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I just had a look and it says if it is compliant then it would have a cert number on the roll bar. That's not us then
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Old 23-05-16, 14:31
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I am sure OMS will have a cert number though, so I would have thought if thats in your log book you should be OK - but you would have to check that out!
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I just had a look and it says if it is compliant then it would have a cert number on the roll bar. That's not us then
I will try and ring the MSA up tomorrow but checked both cars and neither has a number stamped on it .
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Old 23-05-16, 15:38
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Does anyone remember John Bradshaw (I think that was his name) from this forum's previous life? He built a Special saloon Moggy Minor (split screen perhaps). He had trouble with Roll over protection, perhaps if anyone knows him they could find out what his resolution was.
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Old 23-05-16, 15:51
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My Understanding is,No F.I.A. Certification. Number or stamping on roll bar, Or Certification held as submitted by the Constructor To the M.S.A. Or not the required (42.4 mm) Diameter Under Rule 1.6.3.= Illegal. Surely this must raise the question, Many Competitors have serious money invested in Historic Single Seater Cars. Also Many other Series of Formula Simply must be now thrown in to serious doubt. On the grounds of being legal to compete with in all areas of UK Motorsport. Once again for clarification This rule is on page (1 6 2 ) Written by the M.S.A. in The Blue Book.
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Old 23-05-16, 16:20
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My Understanding is,No F.I.A. Certification. Number or stamping on roll bar, Or Certification held as submitted by the Constructor To the M.S.A. Or not the required (42.4 mm) Diameter Under Rule 1.6.3.= Illegal. Surely this must raise the question, Many Competitors have serious money invested in Historic Single Seater Cars. Also Many other Series of Formula Simply must be now thrown in to serious doubt. On the grounds of being legal to compete with in all areas of UK Motorsport. Once again for clarification This rule is on page (1 6 2 ) Written by the M.S.A. in The Blue Book.
its simply, why do we need a logbook?
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