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Old 02-06-16, 14:52
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Not a rule that effects me, but I find it ridiculous that it also never effects period defined vehicles. So you get things like the Napier Bentley (got something like, World's Best laxative on the side) that can run with an engine from an aeroplane but no ROPS and no belts and can do stuff like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTM--RSDSgs
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Old 02-06-16, 16:00
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And most thought it a good weeeeze...

The MSA/Blue Book/ Committees seem to be in a Kenwood mixer, goodness knows what the outcome will be.
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Old 02-06-16, 16:09
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And most thought it a good weeeeze...

The MSA/Blue Book/ Committees seem to be in a Kenwood mixer, goodness knows what the outcome will be.
They should be in a big industrial blender then we could pour the gloop down the drain and start again
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Old 02-06-16, 16:35
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Not a rule that effects me, but I find it ridiculous that it also never effects period defined vehicles. So you get things like the Napier Bentley (got something like, World's Best laxative on the side) that can run with an engine from an aeroplane but no ROPS and no belts and can do stuff like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTM--RSDSgs
Maybe next ruling will be every track must be totally surrounded by 10 deep of hay bales in case someone forgets to turn the steering wheel
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Old 02-06-16, 16:57
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How did he survive that without HANS? Is this a miracle.... a sign... or is he a very naughty boy...
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Old 02-06-16, 19:21
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Carcinogenic fuels

Methanol is now one of the most widely produced chemicals in the World its used in just about anything that comes from oil out of the ground and Petrol is also very Carcinogenic so I for one can't understand why Methanol is any more dangerous than any thing else. In the south america's every car runs on it. It does needs to be handled with care and due precautions taken when handling it but so does any fuel. The cost of remapping, adding intercoolers to compensate for not using methanol, the need to change to smaller injectors etc only adds to the unecessary extra costs being forced on already sound cars that have taken a great deal of time and expense to build, these changes are not necessary in my view and I'm sure will eventually reduce the numbers of people competing. I'm wondering who's working for the competitors these days because to me this is just forcing change for the sake of it.
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Old 02-06-16, 20:10
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I have the absolute answer, lets purchase some ship plate steel, Also purchase an Electric Milk Float each, Weld the steel on top of the milk float. Turn up at M.S.A. Events, and see if this makes the blue book writers happy.
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Methanol is now one of the most widely produced chemicals in the World its used in just about anything that comes from oil out of the ground and Petrol is also very Carcinogenic so I for one can't understand why Methanol is any more dangerous than any thing else. In the south america's every car runs on it. It does needs to be handled with care and due precautions taken when handling it but so does any fuel. The cost of remapping, adding intercoolers to compensate for not using methanol, the need to change to smaller injectors etc only adds to the unecessary extra costs being forced on already sound cars that have taken a great deal of time and expense to build, these changes are not necessary in my view and I'm sure will eventually reduce the numbers of people competing. I'm wondering who's working for the competitors these days because to me this is just forcing change for the sake of it.
I'd be very surprised if methanol is considered pump fuel anywhere in the world, even South America.

Even a google suggests it is not. It seems mostly various racing cars/vehicles around the world would be the main automotive use. Nothing more routine than that.

Doesnt make the MSA's quoted reasons for the change any less dumb though
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Old 02-06-16, 20:33
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Methanol is now one of the most widely produced chemicals in the World its used in just about anything that comes from oil out of the ground and Petrol is also very Carcinogenic so I for one can't understand why Methanol is any more dangerous than any thing else. In the south america's every car runs on it. It does needs to be handled with care and due precautions taken when handling it but so does any fuel. The cost of remapping, adding intercoolers to compensate for not using methanol, the need to change to smaller injectors etc only adds to the unecessary extra costs being forced on already sound cars that have taken a great deal of time and expense to build, these changes are not necessary in my view and I'm sure will eventually reduce the numbers of people competing. I'm wondering who's working for the competitors these days because to me this is just forcing change for the sake of it.
I believe you're confusing methanol and ethanol, similar but very different! Methanol is highly toxic (hence it's no longer used as an additive in most fuels). Ethanol from distilled sugar beat is the fuel of choice in south americas and widely added to petrol these days to increase octane rating.
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Old 02-06-16, 20:44
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Methanol

Brazil has used Methanol for years now, its also used as an additive in modern Diesel fuel, most plastic items contain it as well , look it up on the net its there to see.
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