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Old 31-07-17, 21:37
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Speed Nat A Licence Retention

I haven't applied for a Speed Nat A comp licence this year and was planning to skip it until 2018. However I'm concerned that I could get downgraded to a B licence. Does anyone know whether you can skip a year without being downgraded? The Blue Book section H says the following:

13.1.1. An applicant may retain his or her licence if they meet the criteria set out below. If an applicant for whatever reason does not qualify to retain their current licence grade they will be automatically downgraded according to these regulations.
<each discipline is then listed with its own licence rules>

Speed – How to Retain a Licence
16.1.1. A competitor who held an International, National or National ‘A’ Speed licence before 31.12.02 may renew it for the same or lower grade of licence or a Speed National ‘A’ (OPEN) in 2017.
16.1.2. All other applicants can apply for a Non-Race National ‘B’.

I partly raise this question for others who may be taking a year off from racing cars due to the ROPS fiasco. I seem to recall that racing car drivers will require a Nat A next year.

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Old 31-07-17, 21:47
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I skipped from 1987 to 2004, then from 2005 to 2013. It raised not an eyebrow at the MSA, I even retained my original 1970s licence number. This was for a National A Open licence.
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Old 31-07-17, 21:48
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Could be wrong but I don't think all race car drivers will need an A license. I thought 1100 class was safe as well as small libre class
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Old 31-07-17, 22:00
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Could be wrong but I don't think all race car drivers will need an A license. I thought 1100 class was safe as well as small libre class
Hi Dan, maybe my mind is playing tricks on me but I was convinced that rules were tightening in 2018. I've looked in the pending rules and cannot see anything new coming in.

At present the BB just says:

S7.1.5. Any Driver competing in a Racing or Sports Libre car manufactured after 1960 of more than 2000cc (or 1428cc if forced induction) must hold a Speed National A (OPEN) or Race National A Licence (H.16.1.1), unless
the car is currently licensed for use on the public highway and competes in the event in a road-legal condition.
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Old 31-07-17, 22:05
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Found it (Rules Changes June 2016) and yes Dan you are right. Racing cars > 1100cc.

Date of implementation: 1 January 2018

7.1.5.1. Any Driver competing in a Racing or Sports Libre car of more
than 1100cc, or equivalent forced induction, with the exception of a
pre’1994 Formula Ford 1600 in compliance with the period Ford
regulations, must hold a Speed National A or Race National A
Licence (H.16.1.1), unless the car is currently licensed for use on the
public highway and competes in the event in a road-legal condition.
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Say nowt and just reapply for a NatA when the time comes. Worse case scenario Is you get a couple of signatures the next year and they upgrade you again.
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Old 01-08-17, 11:19
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I had a sabbatical from 1988 until 2015 and was unsure what to do to re-apply. I called the MSA and they said "oh yes, here you are on our system, National A, and your number is ****. Just use that number to re-apply for your Nat A licence".
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Old 01-08-17, 12:42
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It sounds nice and smooth so I'll skip applying for a licence this year. I can compete with a Nat B anyway, but was partly asking for someone else who is in a higher capacity bracket.

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Old 01-08-17, 23:32
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You won't be able to apply online, but should be able to with the paper version of the form, I called and was told so by the phone droid . . . never ended up applying in the end . . .
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i really dont understand why a 1000cc race car driver (eg a force or empire carbon tubbed flying machine) can operate on a Nat B but a driver of a pug 205 fitted with a mi16 engine needs a Nat A open.....its just BS.
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