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Old 08-06-17, 11:51
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In theory the removable/foldable roof panel would have to be carried in the car as "original equipment" wouldn't it?
I was admonished recently at Loton for not having my parcel shelf in place!!!
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Old 08-06-17, 13:18
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Gets rather silly doesn't it......we run a half cage made to be as safe as possible (rather than the shallow angle off the shelf ones) to fit under a hard top, again to help with a little more safety.
Winds me up that you can spend £20k on an engine in roadgoing but get told off for parcel shelf infringement 😂😂
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Old 08-06-17, 17:22
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It's absolutely crackers isn't it

That said there is an Elise I am in a mood with at the moment - I may make the roof panel point to a scrutineer.....

(Im not actually that petty.......or am I?)
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Old 09-06-17, 06:48
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Re: The Elise roof.

They'd technically have to carry it in the boot or cockpit, this would arguably be a safety concern so common sense says you just leave the roof out. The weight loss is negligible so no performance gain. But the rules are being broken (bent)
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Old 09-06-17, 09:59
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Re: The Elise roof.

They'd technically have to carry it in the boot or cockpit, this would arguably be a safety concern so common sense says you just leave the roof out. The weight loss is negligible so no performance gain. But the rules are being broken (bent)
As most 205 GTis have to carry the parcel shelf strapped down as it won't fit with a roll-cage I would have thought that it was imperative that all the correct equipment was carried. For an Elise the collapsible roof should be strapped down in the boot where it would be perfectly safe.
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Old 09-06-17, 13:30
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Trev, if you remove the redundant hair straighteners, and old bottles of timotei from the boot, you'll save even more weight
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Old 09-06-17, 15:09
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It's absolutely crackers isn't it

That said there is an Elise I am in a mood with at the moment - I may make the roof panel point to a scrutineer.....

(Im not actually that petty.......or am I?)
It's an interesting debate: this year in 'road going series production' I have competed against cars with -
- list 1C tyres
- rear seat removed
- holes in body work for extra brake cooling
- holes in bonnet to provide air venting for throttle bodies
- bodywork changes
- door cards changed
- radio / speakers removed
- cars with no road tax, insurance
- spoilers added
- decat exhausts
-etc etc

I certainly wouldn't worry about fitting a hardtop to an MX5 :-)
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Old 09-06-17, 19:17
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It's an interesting debate: this year in 'road going series production' I have competed against cars with -
- list 1C tyres
- rear seat removed
- holes in body work for extra brake cooling
- holes in bonnet to provide air venting for throttle bodies
- bodywork changes
- door cards changed
- radio / speakers removed
- cars with no road tax, insurance
- spoilers added
- decat exhausts
-etc etc

I certainly wouldn't worry about fitting a hardtop to an MX5 :-)
It's nuts isn't it. Last year running in a "standard" road car class (at a pretty big event), I competed against a stripped race car running on 1c tyres. The organisers didn't seem that impressed when I pointed out that it wasn't really in the spirit of the class..
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Old 11-06-17, 09:43
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I was at Abingdon Car-nival yesterday and had a chat with the scrutineer about this.
The general gist was that he agreed that the existing roll hoops aren't high enough, a rollbar without rear stays doesn't seem safe and a rear cage would be most appropriate.
He agreed that most scrutineers would happily turn a blind eye because it's in the interest of safety vs performance.
However, he did point out that if I was in a championship and somebody complained (rightly) about the car being illegal then the rule book would have to be applied and I'd be disqualified from the class.
As I want to take part in championships then this is the biggest concern for me.

In summary:
- existing roll hoops are inadequate, especially as I want to increase the power/speed
- TR Lane type roll bar is also inadequate and, IMO, potentially dangerous if it folded forward or backward
- rear cage is illegal due to the necessary roof removal

I can't see a solution
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Old 11-06-17, 11:38
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Sounds to me like the usual MSA situation.
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