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Old 02-08-17, 09:55
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If it goes seriously wrong at an event, could they stand up in Court and honestly say that they had preformed their duties as required?
Renny, This is what I say to some competitors and they look at me as though I'm stupid

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Old 02-08-17, 09:58
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Unless it was a Period defined vehicle pre-1977??

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Old 02-08-17, 13:31
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Of course "period defined", makes absolutely no difference to the safety case, it is merely a convenient, and arbitrary use of words. I would turn it round and ask in court why the MSA did not follow through on their own "evidence' and demand all such cars retrofit approved ROPS. Surely it is discriminatory to put drivers of period defined vehicles at risk.We all know this is because there is no such evidence, it is all half baked pseudo science.

On the FHR, if true ,is a disgrace and the officials should be bollocked.
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Old 02-08-17, 14:37
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Sorry, my comment about period defined was made in relation to this -

Most surprising at an event earlier this year I saw a single seat car self fitted with a roll bar (not original manufacturer) 36mm diameter and the driver did not wear a FHR device but was allowed to run.

If it was a pre-1977 vehicle, then the FHR (and the ROPS??) would be optional.

Our car is 1972 manufacture, but I feel that my 1950 manufactured neck is probably not as strong as it used to be, warranting the hassle of wearing a FHR.
The MSA does not put drivers at risk, each individual driver enters realising the risk, and makes his or her decision accordingly.

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Old 02-08-17, 14:52
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Sorry, my comment about period defined was made in relation to this -

Most surprising at an event earlier this year I saw a single seat car self fitted with a roll bar (not original manufacturer) 36mm diameter and the driver did not wear a FHR device but was allowed to run.

If it was a pre-1977 vehicle, then the FHR (and the ROPS??) would be optional.

Our car is 1972 manufacture, but I feel that my 1950 manufactured neck is probably not as strong as it used to be, warranting the hassle of wearing a FHR.
The MSA does not put drivers at risk, each individual driver enters realising the risk, and makes his or her decision accordingly.

JW
Very well said JW.

There that can be an end to it all now so no need for anymore posts. If you are happy with what you have then no need to worry about other peoples cars
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Old 02-08-17, 14:56
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That's the only get out !
The car was mid 1980 so not period defined
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Old 02-08-17, 17:20
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Roll hoops

The 42.4 mm tubing is available but is classed as a pipe hence the confusion. I was informed by a very well know race car constructer that he has lots available in stock. I also know of on competitor who shall be nameless but has the sticker and hasn't bothered to carry out the modifications. makes bit of a farce of the whole thing really. it will be interesting to see if anybody gets picked up at Shelsley next weekend.
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Old 02-08-17, 17:49
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Very well said JW.

There that can be an end to it all now so no need for anymore posts. If you are happy with what you have then no need to worry about other peoples cars
Oh if only it is the end of it Simon. Cant stand yet another bash at this topic!
The Northants Pipe Bender has miss read the situation but someone not far from him seems to like a bit a scaremongering IMO ...ce-la-vie..
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Old 02-08-17, 20:06
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If you are happy with what you have then no need to worry about other peoples cars
If only this was the mantra prevalent.
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Old 04-08-17, 14:31
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Unless it was a Period defined vehicle pre-1977??

JW
OK, I presumed it was a car that needed ROPS and FHR.
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